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  <updated>2004-11-02T09:35:56-05:00</updated>
  <entry>
    <title>Echo Chambers: The Meme That Will Not Die</title>
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    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/blog/entry/2079/echo_chambers_the_meme_that_will_not_die</id>
    <published>2008-09-12T16:00:24-04:00</published>
    <updated>2008-09-12T16:00:24-04:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Last night, I went to the JFK Library to see a panel on the Internet and the campaign, with Matt Bai of The New York Times, Garrett Graff of Washingtonian Magazine (and Howard Dean’s first political webmaster), and Joe Trippi, who ran Dean’s campaign.</p>
<p>It was an interesting session not just because of the caliber of the people, but because the sight it gave of what’s been settled and what we’re still arguing about. These three astute observers — two of them straight-ahead Obama supporters, and one maintaining professional neutrality, but, c’mon, you think Bai’s going to vote for McCain?? — agree that the Internet is transformative of politics and ultimately of democracy. It’s worth pausing to remember that four years ago, we were still arguing about that. They also agree that this is overall for the good, albeit with various important doubts and reservations.</p>
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    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>[<em>This post is reprinted with permission from <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/2008/09/12/echo-chambers-the-meme-that-will-not-die/">Joho the Blog, where it originally appeared</a>. The editors.</em>]</p>
<p>Last night, I went to the JFK Library to see a panel on the Internet and the campaign, with Matt Bai of The New York Times, Garrett Graff of Washingtonian Magazine (and Howard Dean’s first political webmaster), and Joe Trippi, who ran Dean’s campaign.</p>
<p>It was an interesting session not just because of the caliber of the people, but because the sight it gave of what’s been settled and what we’re still arguing about. These three astute observers — two of them straight-ahead Obama supporters, and one maintaining professional neutrality, but, c’mon, you think Bai’s going to vote for McCain?? — agree that the Internet is transformative of politics and ultimately of democracy. It’s worth pausing to remember that four years ago, we were still arguing about that. They also agree that this is overall for the good, albeit with various important doubts and reservations.</p>
<p>They also agree that the Internet is loosening party affiliation to the extent that in the next four or eight years we’re likely to see a viable independent presidential candidate.</p>
<p>But the three did not agree with one another and sometimes with themselves about whether the Net is making us more partisan (”echo chambers”) or better informed. Is it manipulated by pols throwing out chum that predictably attracts the mindless sharks or, as Trippi replied, is that more characteristic of cable news than the Net? The fact that we are so uncertain about this might indicate that it’s just too soon to tell, but I suspect it indicates that there’s something malformed in the question.</p>
<p>For example, last night one of the audience members expressed concern that the Net is naught but a series of echo chambers. Bai earlier had maintained that he worries that the Net is not about persuasion but about confirmation: you only read that which confirms your views. Ellen Hume of MIT’s civic media project worried from the floor that we’ve lost a unified, authoritative press, feared enough by politicians that when they’re caught in a lie (”I said thanks but no thanks”) they’ll actually stop repeating it.</p>
<p>These are all good points. And yet the question of whether the Net is making us better voters or not remains unsettled, including, I suspect, in the minds of each of those speaking last night. Ultimately, I think it’s unsettled not simply because we lack evidence or because the Internet revolution isn’t over yet. There are more difficult reasons this issue remains an Internet cultural Rohrschach test</p>
<p>1. We don’t yet know how to make intuitive sense of the open connective nature of the Net. We don’t fault our real-world discussions with friends because they’re not arguments that are based on persuasion that work themselves down to first principles. We’ve chosen our rw friends in part because of the sympathy of our views and the sympathy of our discussion styles, yet we don’t count those friendshipsas echo chambers. Online, we can engage with people before we’ve become friends with them. We thus sometimes bond based on agreement (”echo chambers”) or on disagreement strong enough us to get us to respond (”flame fests”).</p>
<p>2. We don’t know how to handle the new publicness of the Net. We can hear — and blog about — every nasty conversation held. Imagine you could listen in on every barroom quarrel and every fratboy gabfest. Well, now you can. We now know just how awful we are.</p>
<p>2a. To put the previous point differently: We make the mistake of treating the Net as if it were a medium. But it’s more like a world than a medium. Everything humans can do and say is done and said there. Want to find hate-based OCD? Got it! Want to emphasize the way in which bloggers bring skeptical intelligence to stories promulgated by the worst of the MSM? Can do! Because the Net is an open world, no examples are typical .</p>
<p>3. We therefore don’t really have anything to compare the Web to. Before the Web and off the Web, how much of our time was spent in persuasive rather than confirming discussions? How diverse was the nightly news compared to the “average” encounters with news on the Net? How much disagreement was allowed in watercooler discussions before people just crumpled their cups and walked away, and what is the online equivalent of watercoolers anyway?</p>
<p>Perhaps the persistence of the question is due to our shock at being shown who we really are. When all you can see of yourself is what the sanitized mass media show you and what you can see around you in your physical environs, the differences the Net makes visible unsettle us profoundly.</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Debatepedia for when neutrality is premature</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/1274" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/1274</id>
    <published>2007-02-13T14:01:36-05:00</published>
    <updated>2007-02-13T14:02:12-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Emergent Democracy" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Much as I love <a href="http://www.wikipedia.com/">Wikipedia</a> — and I love it so much that I'm giving it candy hearts on Valentine's Day — its policy of neutrality sometimes forces resolution when we'd rather have debate. Yes, competing sides get represented in the articles, and the discussion pages let us hear people arguing their points, but the arguments themselves are treated as stations on the way to neutral agreement.</p>
<p>So, there's room for additional approaches that take the arguments themselves as their topics. That's what <a href="http://www.debatepedia.org/">Debatepedia.org</a> does, and it looks like it's on its way to being really useful. </p>
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    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><i>[Eds. Note: This is reposted from <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/debatepedia_for_when_neutralit.html">David Weinberger's blog</a> with his permission.]  </i></p>
<p>Much as I love <a href="http://www.wikipedia.com/">Wikipedia</a> — and I love it so much that I'm giving it candy hearts on Valentine's Day — its policy of neutrality sometimes forces resolution when we'd rather have debate. Yes, competing sides get represented in the articles, and the discussion pages let us hear people arguing their points, but the arguments themselves are treated as stations on the way to neutral agreement.</p>
<p>So, there's room for additional approaches that take the arguments themselves as their topics. That's what <a href="http://www.debatepedia.org/">Debatepedia.org</a> does, and it looks like it's on its way to being really useful.</p>
<p>Like Wikipedia, anyone can edit existing content. Unlike Wikipedia, its topics are all up for debate. Each topic presents both sides, structured into sub-questions, with a strong ethos of citation, factuality, and lack of flaming; the first of its <a href="http://debatepedia.com/index.php/Debatepedia:About">Guiding Principles</a> is "No personal opinion." Rather, it attempts to present the best case and best evidence for each side.</p>
<p>Debatepedia limits itself to topics with yes-no alternatives and with clear pro and con cases. To start a debate, a user has to propose it and the editors (who seem to be the people who founded it...I couldn't find info about them on the site) have to accept it. This keeps people from proposing stupid topics and boosts the likelihood that if you visit a listed debate, you'll find content there. It also limits discussion to topics that have two and only two sides, which may turn out to be a serious limitation. But, we'll see. And it can adapt as required.</p>
<p>Will Debatepedia take off? Who the hell knows. But it's a welcome addition to the range of experiments in pulling ourselves together.</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>The new populism</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/700" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/700</id>
    <published>2005-08-25T18:57:20-04:00</published>
    <updated>2005-08-25T18:57:20-04:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Emergent Democracy" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Chris Lydon radio show, Open Source, did a show on <a href="http://www.radioopensource.org/hyperlocal-journalism/">hyper-localism</a> that featured Ed Remsen, mayor of Montclaire NJ, who isn't above commenting on posts on to <a href="http://www.baristanet.com/">Baristaville</a>. As Brendan Greeley, of Radio Open Source, points out, Remsen isn't a born-on-the-Net hip guy. But he sure seems to get that the Net is an unowned conversation, and that his constituents are talking.</p>
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    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Chris Lydon radio show, Open Source, did a show on <a href="http://www.radioopensource.org/hyperlocal-journalism/">hyper-localism</a> that featured Ed Remsen, mayor of Montclaire NJ, who isn't above commenting on posts on to <a href="http://www.baristanet.com/">Baristaville</a>. As Brendan Greeley, of Radio Open Source, points out, Remsen isn't a born-on-the-Net hip guy. But he sure seems to get that the Net is an unowned conversation, and that his constituents are talking.</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Jock Gill on gnostic politics</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/308" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/308</id>
    <published>2005-01-26T12:32:00-05:00</published>
    <updated>2005-01-26T12:32:00-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Advertising" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Jock Gill over at <a href="http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/archives/000326.html">GreaterDemocracy</a> urges his fellow liberals to drop-the-hub and spoke model and to go Gnostic, getting rid of the intermediaries. </p>
<p>It is a partisan piece, of course, and raises the question of whether any particular party's politics makes it better suited to adopting the new tools of directed, connected democracy.</p>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Jock Gill over at <a href="http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/archives/000326.html">GreaterDemocracy</a> urges his fellow liberals to drop-the-hub and spoke model and to go Gnostic, getting rid of the intermediaries. </p>
<p>It is a partisan piece, of course, and raises the question of whether any particular party's politics makes it better suited to adopting the new tools of directed, connected democracy.</p>
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  <entry>
    <title>Live-blogging the Gonzales hearing</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/242" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/242</id>
    <published>2005-01-06T11:00:19-05:00</published>
    <updated>2005-01-06T11:00:19-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Advertising" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.HumanRightsFirst.org">HumanRightsFirst.org</a> is <a href="http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/index.asp">live-blogging the Gonzales hearing</a>. (They also have links to the Real Player feed from C-SPAN.)</p>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.HumanRightsFirst.org">HumanRightsFirst.org</a> is <a href="http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/blog/index.asp">live-blogging the Gonzales hearing</a>. (They also have links to the Real Player feed from C-SPAN.)</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Distributed inaugurals</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/241" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/241</id>
    <published>2005-01-06T09:00:35-05:00</published>
    <updated>2005-01-06T09:00:35-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Advertising" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans are continuing to use the Net to encourage local political action. At the Republican Party site you can <a href="http://www.gop.com/Party/PartyHome.aspx">sign up</a> to host an inauguration party. So far, 31,457 people have done so. I wouldn't be shocked if, in addition to Pin the Tail Real Hard on the Donkey, fund raising were a suggested party activity.</p>
<p>You can also buy your branded Republican goods on the site: $2.95 for a <a href="http://www.georgewbushstore.com/600-7004.htm">Bush-Cheney "yard sign system"</a> (it's a system because it comes with little wire posts) and <a href="http://www.companycatalog.com/main.asp?url=rnc">items</a> such as a GWB medallion or a Ronald Reagan t-shirt. </p>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Republicans are continuing to use the Net to encourage local political action. At the Republican Party site you can <a href="http://www.gop.com/Party/PartyHome.aspx">sign up</a> to host an inauguration party. So far, 31,457 people have done so. I wouldn't be shocked if, in addition to Pin the Tail Real Hard on the Donkey, fund raising were a suggested party activity.</p>
<p>You can also buy your branded Republican goods on the site: $2.95 for a <a href="http://www.georgewbushstore.com/600-7004.htm">Bush-Cheney "yard sign system"</a> (it's a system because it comes with little wire posts) and <a href="http://www.companycatalog.com/main.asp?url=rnc">items</a> such as a GWB medallion or a Ronald Reagan t-shirt. </p>
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  <entry>
    <title>Future of news - a documentary from 2014</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/235" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/235</id>
    <published>2005-01-04T10:34:45-05:00</published>
    <updated>2005-01-04T10:34:45-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Citizens Media" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This Flash documentary by Robin Sloan and Matt Thompson  on the <a href="http://www.broom.org/epic/">future of media</a> describes a possible path from here to 2014 for Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and the NY Times. I think it eventually goes off the rails, but it's well done and, IMO, worth the 11 minutes.</p>
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    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This Flash documentary by Robin Sloan and Matt Thompson  on the <a href="http://www.broom.org/epic/">future of media</a> describes a possible path from here to 2014 for Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and the NY Times. I think it eventually goes off the rails, but it's well done and, IMO, worth the 11 minutes.</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Blackbox serves papers rather dramatically</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/171" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/171</id>
    <published>2004-12-01T09:37:36-05:00</published>
    <updated>2004-12-01T09:37:36-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Big Media" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#lawsuit2">Here's</a> a first person account of Black Box Voting serving Teresa Lapore with papers for failing to comply with a public records request. Snippet:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>"This is what democracy looks like," she said, as the officials<br />
scowled and shouted for the sergeant at arms.</p>
</p></blockquote>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#lawsuit2">Here's</a> a first person account of Black Box Voting serving Teresa Lapore with papers for failing to comply with a public records request. Snippet:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>"This is what democracy looks like," she said, as the officials<br />
scowled and shouted for the sergeant at arms.</p></blockquote>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Citizens Assembly</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/157" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/157</id>
    <published>2004-11-19T16:05:17-05:00</published>
    <updated>2004-11-24T12:22:17-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Big Media" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There's an email going around (thanks, <a href="http://www.greaterdemocracy.org">Jock</a>!), from <a href="http://co-intelligence.org/CDCUsesAndPotency.html">Tom Atlee</a>:<br />
<!--first--></p>
<blockquote>
<p>In 2003 the government of British Columbia convened a <a href="http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca">Citizens' Assembly on Electoral Reform</a>...</p>
<p>This Assembly was formed with 160 randomly selected citizens charged with reviewing existing and innovative voting systems.  After ten months of study, reviewing hundreds of written submissions, holding public hearings, hearing from experts, and deliberating together, they finally announced their recommendations in October 2004...</p>
<p>...The Citizens Assembly meetings have been public and shown on TV.  There have been regular news releases and postings on their website, which includes history of the Assembly, FAQs, the materials they reviewed and more -- all made very <a href="http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca/sitemap">public</a>.
</p>
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    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There's an email going around (thanks, <a href="http://www.greaterdemocracy.org">Jock</a>!), from <a href="http://co-intelligence.org/CDCUsesAndPotency.html">Tom Atlee</a>:<br />
<!--first--></p>
<blockquote>
<p>In 2003 the government of British Columbia convened a <a href="http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca">Citizens' Assembly on Electoral Reform</a>...</p>
<p>This Assembly was formed with 160 randomly selected citizens charged with reviewing existing and innovative voting systems.  After ten months of study, reviewing hundreds of written submissions, holding public hearings, hearing from experts, and deliberating together, they finally announced their recommendations in October 2004...</p>
<p>...The Citizens Assembly meetings have been public and shown on TV.  There have been regular news releases and postings on their website, which includes history of the Assembly, FAQs, the materials they reviewed and more -- all made very <a href="http://www.citizensassembly.bc.ca/sitemap">public</a>.
</p></blockquote>
<p>There's only a light tech side to this, although the project would be unthinkable without the public-ness the Net affords.</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>E-voting fraud - two discussions</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/148" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/148</id>
    <published>2004-11-16T08:06:33-05:00</published>
    <updated>2004-11-16T08:06:33-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Big Media" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Salon has a <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/11/16/palast/">point/counterpoint on election fraud</a> in Ohio featuring Greg Palast and Farhad Manjoo.</p>
<p>NPR's <a href="http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2004/11/20041111_b_main.asp">On Point</a> on Thursday had a call-in featuring Farhad as well as Heather Gerken and  Steve Ansolabehere, from Harvard and MIT respectively, and Thom Hartmann.</p>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Salon has a <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/11/16/palast/">point/counterpoint on election fraud</a> in Ohio featuring Greg Palast and Farhad Manjoo.</p>
<p>NPR's <a href="http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2004/11/20041111_b_main.asp">On Point</a> on Thursday had a call-in featuring Farhad as well as Heather Gerken and  Steve Ansolabehere, from Harvard and MIT respectively, and Thom Hartmann.</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>e-Ballot overview</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/136" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/136</id>
    <published>2004-11-11T14:09:31-05:00</published>
    <updated>2004-11-11T14:09:31-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Campaigns &amp; Elections" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2004/11/the_problem_wit.html">Bruce Schneier</a> has a useful overview of the problems with e-balloting machines.</p>
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    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2004/11/the_problem_wit.html">Bruce Schneier</a> has a useful overview of the problems with e-balloting machines.</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Cool maps</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/128" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/128</id>
    <published>2004-11-08T12:10:17-05:00</published>
    <updated>2004-11-08T12:10:17-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Big Media" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The red-blue maps reinforce the winner-take-all mentality of the Electoral College. Here are some <a href="http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/election/">cool maps</a> that are both more accurate and a tiny bit heartwarming.</p>
<p>Ah, computer graphics! What <i>can't</i> they do!</p>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The red-blue maps reinforce the winner-take-all mentality of the Electoral College. Here are some <a href="http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/election/">cool maps</a> that are both more accurate and a tiny bit heartwarming.</p>
<p>Ah, computer graphics! What <i>can't</i> they do!</p>
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  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>Emergent paranoia? Or prudent concerns?</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/123" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/123</id>
    <published>2004-11-06T09:42:39-05:00</published>
    <updated>2004-11-08T10:47:39-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="The Dark Side" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Dave Farber's list has circulated a message from an anonymized someone citing the "growing evidence of major problems with electronic voting machines." The msg points to an <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems">AP story</a>, and to reports on <a href="http://www.blackboxvoter.com">BlackBoxVoter.ORG</a> and <a href="http://www.blackboxvoter.com">BlackBoxVoter.COM</a>.</p>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Dave Farber's list has circulated a message from an anonymized someone citing the "growing evidence of major problems with electronic voting machines." The msg points to an <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_el_pr/voting_problems">AP story</a>, and to reports on <a href="http://www.blackboxvoter.com">BlackBoxVoter.ORG</a> and <a href="http://www.blackboxvoter.com">BlackBoxVoter.COM</a>.<!--break--> (Well, at least neither of the two BlackBoxVoter sites is a porn site the way WhiteHouse.com is.) The message extrapolates from the "3893 extra votes on a single Ohio voting machine" to suggest that "there may be 9 to 12 million fraudulent votes." It then recommends that we send faxes to Ralph Nader (202-265-0092), asking him to challenge the election results in New Hampshire, and, presumably then in other states.</p>
<p>I'd like to see a little more evidence before getting paranoid on this score, but it sures makes evident why un-papered elections are bad for democracy: They breed distrust in the system. They've got to go.</p>
    ]]></content>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>VoteProtect.org</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/100" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/100</id>
    <published>2004-11-02T12:25:40-05:00</published>
    <updated>2004-11-02T12:25:40-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Campaigns &amp; Elections" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.voteprotect.org">VoteProtect</a> is tracking voting incidents such as allegations of fraud. The site wasn't responding a little bit ago, possibly because it's being overwhelmed...</p>
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    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.voteprotect.org">VoteProtect</a> is tracking voting incidents such as allegations of fraud. The site wasn't responding a little bit ago, possibly because it's being overwhelmed...</p>
    ]]></content>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <title>EFF reports e-votes mis-recorded</title>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/98" />
    <id>http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/98</id>
    <published>2004-11-02T09:35:56-05:00</published>
    <updated>2004-11-02T09:35:56-05:00</updated>
    <author>
      <name>David Weinberger</name>
    </author>
    <category term="Big Media" />
    <summary type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Electronic Frontier Foundation is reporting that voters are already reporting that e-voting machines are going wrong. Some handful of voters have noticed that the summaries shown before their votes are recorded don't reflect their actual votes. The EFF press release is <a href="http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2004_11.php#002062">here</a>.</p>
    ]]></summary>
    <content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The Electronic Frontier Foundation is reporting that voters are already reporting that e-voting machines are going wrong. Some handful of voters have noticed that the summaries shown before their votes are recorded don't reflect their actual votes. The EFF press release is <a href="http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2004_11.php#002062">here</a>.</p>
    ]]></content>
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